the consequences, speaker of the house john boehner and the president both know what happens in the future for them in what they're doing will be made much harder if they can't demonstrate they have the will now to at least get a framework deal together. that is just the way that that is. but the problem that they face is that very liberal democrats and very conservative republicans are going to look at them and say, if it is not a good enough deal we're willing to go off the cliff even if what that means most americans suffer a consequence, whether it is in the things that you described or in their 401(k)s as markets plunge. megyn: what happens to, what happens to the money that gets collected? looks like somebody will pay more in taxes whether it is the rich or rich first and then others, you know, once they start to tax one group historically others are not immune. >> well --. megyn: where does the money go? does it all go to the deficit, or to the debt? >> no. megyn: because we, a lot of americans think, all right, i want to help my fellow citizens and i don't like this national debt b